Hyung Nam talks with Effie B about recent mobilizations among the left against the right in Portland, and about the Portland police’s targeting of anti-fascist activists. Although Effie organizes with PopMob, they are speaking here about their own views and not for the organization. Effie and Hyung discuss the events at the Proud Boys rally on August 4, 2018 in Portland, including uncorroborated police statements about law enforcement officer actions, and they consider earlier events, including reports about last year’s rallies for and against hate June 4, 2017. This longer version of the conversation includes more about police surveillance and why it's wrong to ignore the far right. The briefer version is available as part of the whole 8/13/18 episode.